Curse

MithranArkanere · Mar 10, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

They should have created one Razah for each class, faking the 'variable' Razah, they would be unloked one by one in the Balthazar priests, and you could only choose one at a time in the Party per character.
So, if you want a Ritualist raza, you select R Razah, and you can't select another one.

And, in the other hand, Prophecies should have a Mesmer and Factions a Ritualist, that way there would be:
2 heroes for each core class.
1 hero for each campaign exclusive class.
1 Razah per class.
All the Razah versions would be onloked at the same time.
Another hero of each class, although not usable at the same time,

Mercyful Fate · Mar 17, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Orinn

So you got him and don't use him? Wonderful, but some people WILL use him. Just because you don't use him, doesn't make him useless. BTW, since when are henchies available in DoA? Are you saying that you and 3 heroes went through these quests with no other humans present? I'd love to see the amazing team build you worked out for that, because DoA is difficult for even experienced players in an all-human group.

Two things, Orinn. You're neglecting to state the first obvious thing: ArenaNet didn't release Razah with the rest of the Heroes, so obviously, everyone survived without him. He is not a necessity to beating the campaign. I'm sure it will please you to know that my Razah has the original build on him that he had when I beat the quest and got him. His attribute points are also untouched. However, I was kind enough to get him his Primeval Hero armor to show him off.

Secondly, before you start with a sassy attitude regarding my "amazing team build", why not get your facts straight and know where Razah is located. He's NOT in the Domain of Anguish, he's in the Heart of Abaddon. You go through the gate/zone (after paying gatekeeper the gems) in the final mission town, which DOES have Henchies, to go retrieve Razah. You do NOT begin your quest in the Gate of Anguish.

I believe I still have screenshots of the Hero/Hench team I used. The quest is NOT hard if you can be patient and have some determination. And if you can't get the gems, go make the money somewhere to buy them. The quest is not that hard. Getting the gems is harder, and you can side step that part and farm the gold to pay for them.

-MF

nekopowa · Mar 17, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate

Two things, Orinn. You're neglecting to state the first obvious thing: ArenaNet didn't release Razah with the rest of the Heroes, so obviously, everyone survived without him. He is not a necessity to beating the campaign. I'm sure it will please you to know that my Razah has the original build on him that he had when I beat the quest and got him. His attribute points are also untouched. However, I was kind enough to get him his Primeval Hero armor to show him off.

Secondly, before you start with a sassy attitude regarding my "amazing team build", why not get your facts straight and know where Razah is located. He's NOT in the Domain of Anguish, he's in the Heart of Abaddon. You go through the gate/zone (after paying gatekeeper the gems) in the final mission town, which DOES have Henchies, to go retrieve Razah. You do NOT begin your quest in the Gate of Anguish.

I believe I still have screenshots of the Hero/Hench team I used. The quest is NOT hard if you can be patient and have some determination. And if you can't get the gems, go make the money somewhere to buy them. The quest is not that hard. Getting the gems is harder, and you can side step that part and farm the gold to pay for them.

-MF

Well said, i'm sick of whiners not wanting to work for anything in the game and then they whine about lack of updates or content.

Obey The Cat · Mar 17, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

But he also said, getting the gems is harder. You should not have to grind for gems to get razah. That's no 'whining'.

Why? · Mar 17, 2007, 03:39 PM // 15:39

That line is so pathetic,"not wanting to work for anything."

DOA is not meant for everyone, but only an elite few. Anet has admitted as much.

DOA has great rewards for people, the weapons are the only golds you can get from a collector, and the skins rock.

Then Mallyx drops weapons, and the gems are valuable, etc, etc, etc.

There are many great rewards to DOA that make hiding the only ritualist hero behind DOA necessary items unecessary.

I do beleive adding another rit hero somewhere is the best idea. And I also believe that when the new chapter comes out it will have skills and such to make DOA easier, just like going back and doing prophecies now with skills from all 3 games is easier than doing it with prophecies only skills, so in time everyone will be able to acquire Razah.

Well99 · Mar 17, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

"We are going to continue to monitor the Domain of Anguish. We want this to be the high-end are of the game, of course, and to retain its specialness and its challenge. It's an Elite area, obviously, and in truth we cannot say that it's intended even for the majority of players. But we certainly intend for it, while challenging, to also be a lot of fun! Please continue to share your thoughts and we'll be reading!"
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Hmm so Razah wasnt meant for the majority of the players?Too bad because all players should have the chance for him(Guess I should of been more clear).I have Razah and I like using him.It would of been more fun to have a rit from the start.
I could care less about bragging rights.Some folks enjoy playing the game.I am strickly PVE.If PVP or farming is your thing more power to you.Me I just like PVE.I have alot of builds so it would be nice to have a rit.I run different heroes all the time just to see how it works out.It would of been fun to mix a Rit with different combos of other heroes from the start of the game.
As far as some statements about you have to work for him.When you work you get paid.When I pay for a game I do it to have fun.Silly concept I know.

MirageMaster · Mar 17, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Damn i hate l33t lamers all over this place.Screw you. i want my rit hero.

The Bloodrose · Mar 17, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I seriously don't see what the big fuss is. Razah is easy as hell to get. The only thing bad about getting him is the cost(Currently 85-90k). I took myself, 3 heros and 4 henchies in there and got him in 45 min. flat. Next time I went with a guildie, same thing. 45min, no deaths.

As long as one person pays the gems, you can take a full pug/guild group to get him. Only the people who pay the gems can get him though. He is no required, so don't bitch. PvPers may unlock him, but seriously...do you see any groups running with him?

This is just another thing for people to bitch about. It all comes down to this. If you want him bad enough, you'll pay the gems, and go get him and stfu. Simple as that.

Well99 · Mar 17, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by The Bloodrose

I seriously don't see what the big fuss is. Razah is easy as hell to get. The only thing bad about getting him is the cost(Currently 85-90k). I took myself, 3 heros and 4 henchies in there and got him in 45 min. flat. Next time I went with a guildie, same thing. 45min, no deaths.

As long as one person pays the gems, you can take a full pug/guild group to get him. Only the people who pay the gems can get him though. He is no required, so don't bitch. PvPers may unlock him, but seriously...do you see any groups running with him?

This is just another thing for people to bitch about. It all comes down to this. If you want him bad enough, you'll pay the gems, and go get him and stfu. Simple as that.

So your bitching about people bitching?Not everyone has 90k or whatever.Alot of people are just asking to have a rit to use thru the game.What is so bad about that?PVP players get him for 6k instead of the 50k orginally ask for to unlock.Why cant they do the same for PVE?
They have changed how you get Olias and the sin so why not for Razah or put a new rit for everyone to get just like the other heroes.

Yanman.be · Mar 17, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Ok then, why is it ok for them to give people the Assassin Hero but NOT a Rt hero, then they finally put one in only to have it in an area where heroes will doom you.

No, if they add a variable primary profession hero, full power to them putting it in there, but NOT a hero with a primary profession that isn't accessable elsewhere.

The Rit hero's AI is fine, the Sin hero's AI is retarded.

Cataclysm · Mar 17, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I dont mind that hes so hard to get. I just mind that hes tho ONLY rit hero. Make us another rit hero and keep Rajah as a prestige hero...

Killaya · Mar 17, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

/sign

I'd like to have a ritualist hero. Having a ritual lord on command would be helpful. But I can NOT find a group that can make it and I am not going to pay 100k for a ritualist. Why do we need another hero anyway if we can only get to DoA after we've beaten nightfall??

I agree with those who said he should be unlockable in factions like the sin was.

The conversion from pvp to pve is a measly 6k faction to an incredible 100k gold. Not exactly even.

MrTumnus · Mar 17, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

/signed.

I don't like having 2 warriors, a dervish, 2 monks, a mesmer, a paragon, 2 elementalists, 2 rangers, 2 necromancers, and a sin, but no ritualist. I'd gladly trade Goren for a ritualist hero. It doesn't have to be Razah.

Make Razah variable primary for those "leet" players who play the game for hours on end and regularly have funds well above 100k + e to spend. And put another Rit Primary in the regular story. Make it someone like Togo's last student, or a djinn...

Anna Ryan · Mar 17, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Well... A gemset nowadays costs between 70-75k and prices still drop.
That being said, I do say that having to pay this for my 10 next chars is madness.

So I'll sign for having to pay only once for gems.
And really guys, WTH do you do with the money you earn ? A normal new char in Elona earns 60 to 80k, having reduced the costs of buying armor and weapons. It's just picking up every item and selling though

Anyways, saving ain't that hard now is it ? 1k at a time, you want Razah you go for it. You want to buy a game IRL you save for it, you're not going to complain to the game maker in saying 'I want to play the game, make it cheaper' no, you save or you just wait untill it's 2 months old and gets lower in price.

Which is exactly what is happening now in GW if you pay attention

Titan gem went from 100k + xx ecto's to now today 49k for 1. By the time A-net has a solution, the gems are as cheap as an ecto

Tarun · Mar 17, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

If they make one change to this, I'd like to take hench with me for the quest for the gems.

Edit: Or better yet, all my heroes.

mqstout · Mar 17, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Anna Ryan

So I'll sign for having to pay only once for gems.
And really guys, WTH do you do with the money you earn ? A normal new char in Elona earns 60 to 80k, having reduced the costs of buying armor and weapons. It's just picking up every item and selling though

Considering how much it costs to buy skills, as well as outfit heroes... Not to mention, I don't see how armor costs any less under the insignia system -- it just prevents you from having to buy new when you want to change its stats.

Undivine · Mar 18, 2007, 04:18 AM // 04:18

I only have 1 character who has even the slightest hope of getting Razah, and that's my monk. My other characters: Ranger, Mesmer, and Ritualist. Those 3 characters will never, ever get a group in DoA. Everyone wants Monk, Monk, Monk, Ele, Ele, Ele, Warrior, Necro.

And it is very unlikely my monk will ever play DoA either. It's 6 straight hours that I don't have in any one day, unless I lose sleep and go to work tired. Not only that, it's 6 hours of repetitive boredom. Let's face it, DoA is not fun. It's freaken boring! They may as well have never added Razah to the game at all.

Kai Nui · Mar 18, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

When I took a break for about 3 months this thread had already been a couple months old I believe. We're still discussing this? I think it's time to pack it up and say good bye to any reasonable Razah aquisition.

Well99 · Mar 19, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

If you want to go ahead.I hope Anet gets the message that this isnt some spur of the moment whim.People are still interesting in haveing a rit to use thru the game.

Master Sword Keeper · Mar 19, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

Okay ANET doesnt test their areas....Nor do they test PvE...They are PvP'ers. They are far too busy to test the PvE DOA area. They just build it...so as far as they know there's nothing wrong with it.